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Photographer: Filip O. Misiak - www.gruha.net
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Ektor Coughanour 21/10/2005 3:00
Excellent artwork!!!Maria Mann 10/10/2005 23:33
How can you say to know and judge what is Art and what is no Art?Maybe the piece of rubbish on the floor indeed IS more Art than any other piece of so called Art.
So what is Art for you, Paul – and what is it not?
What is the difference between a „beautiful“ landscape and this motive?
What does it tell and what is beautiful?
My "meaningless babble" how you call it is my philosophy of Art. This seems to be the main point. Although English doesnt make it easier for me, we of course can go deeper in discussions what to see in this photo or not. This photo has a special meaning for me and I already discussed it deeply many times with people and wrote about it.
Im openminded and dont rate/judge anybody or anything and tell anybody what is right or wrong and what to think, feel and do.
But maybe thats already the basically difference between us, which makes a discussion impossible.
Maria Mann 10/10/2005 23:32
To author:http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/account/myprofile/505718
Quote from Maria - "Art makes curious, wakes you up, irritates, causes something and makes something move, sets something in motion, causes surprise or dislike, releases feelings, which often rise from inner grievance" - Maria, a lot of things do this ... a curious piece of rubbish on the floor that someone has discarded that I cannot easily identify may do this ... but it is not ART ...
And the last paragraph tells me everything that I needed to hear or see ... a convoluted, meaningless over-use of words to add meaning where none may exist in an attempt to inimidate or exclude all those who do not understand the words in hope that they start to believe that their lack of appreciation of the image is in some way directly linked with their lack of understanding of the words used to describe the image and in turn may convince them that their lack of understanding of the words demonstrates a lower intellectual level on their side and in turn automatically suggests that they hold a position of lower intelligence and as such their view or opinion is therefore less worthy and maybe even inconsequentuial in terms of the appreciation or judgement of the image and its value. This description borders on pretentious babble ... and meaningless babble at that ... when did a beautiful landscape or a magnificent building or a beautiful creature or an inspirational poem or a life-changing moment captured on film require such complex explanation to make it seem of some value ...
P.S. I am attacking the description you used not the image - that is a whole different discussion.
Jaime Crystal Attenborough 07/10/2005 0:43
HI Maria, I love your expressive work, in a way i can see why people dont comment on it, but i think your photos are one of a kind and very expressive and out there.i love them.
i think just go for it, cause i am telling you now, you have a wonderful fan base on here and also on your web site.
I really appreciate people that dont take any risks in their photos, theres no law that they all have to be boring ! lol"
keep up the great work babe.
awsome photos.
jaime :)
Maria Mann 06/10/2005 1:28
Aufgrund der vielen Comments hier, scheint es mir doch nötig, mich nun einmal allgemein dazu zu äussern:Zuallererst denke ich, dass Kunst keine Erklärung oder Rechtfertigung braucht.
Kunst erklärt sich von selbst und teilt etwas mit. Sie ist universelles Werkzeug. Deshalb wähle ich dieses Medium, um meinem Ausdruck eine andere Ebene der Kommunikation zu ermöglichen.
Und wie mir hier bestätigt wird, hat sie ihren Zweck in erster Linie erfüllt, da sie jemanden zum Denken anregt. Sie macht neugierig, rüttelt auf, irritiert, setzt etwas in Bewegung, stößt vielleicht auf Verwunderung oder Abneigung, löst Empfindungen und Gefühle aus, die meist (inneren) Misständen entspringen.
Wenn der "Konsument" damit nichts anfangen kann, liegt die Ursache dafür nicht beim Künstler. Der Konsument ist der Betrachter, der das Werk des Künstlers auslegt und interpretiert.
Dieses Werk kann durchaus zu den schönen Künsten gezählt werden, da die Auffassung von Schönheit, Zartheit und Vielseitigkeit einem persönlichen ästhetischen Urteil entspringt. Und das fällt jeder für sich selbst.
Die Grenzen verwischen. Der Mensch entwickelt sich weiter.
Eine konservative, an zeitgemäße Werte gebundene Einstellung hat meiner Meinung nach in der Kunst nichts zu suchen - im Gegenteil: Sie gilt als der Befreiungsschlag aus Konventionen, moralischen und ethischen Zwängen. Kunst ist mehr als nur nette Unterhaltung.
Meine eigene Auswertung des Photos fällt abstrakt aus, was für das Bild neue Dimensionen und eine weitreichendere Vielschichtigkeit schafft.
Der Schlüssel liegt für mich in der komplexen (für mich sehr zarten) Emotionalität des Gesichtsausdrucks, der – in der Korresponz mit dem brutalen Umfeld - die Phantasie anregt und zu vielen Interpretationen und Aussagen führt.
Das hat nichts mit primitivem "schocken wollen" zu tun.
Due to all these comments here, it seems necessary for me to generally explain myself:
First of all I think that Art doesn´t need explanation or justification.
Art explains itself automatically through itself and tells something.
Art is an universal tool. This is why I choose this medium, in order to give my expression another level of communication.
And here is the proof for me, that it already fulfilled its primary purpose, since it makes someone thinking. Art makes curious, wakes you up, irritates, causes something and makes something move, sets something in motion, causes surprise or dislike, releases feelings, which often rise from inner grievance. If the "consumer" cant get anything out of it, its not the the artists fault. The consumer is the viewer, who interprets the work of the artist.
In my opinion, this work can be seen as fine art, cause the understanding of beauty, tenderness and versatility rises up of a personal aesthetic judgement. And everyone makes this judgement for himself. The borders disappear. Humans develop themselves.
A conservative attitude, that is bound to values of this time and society, in my opinion is completely wrong in Art – even it is the opposite: Art is the moral and ethical release impact from conventions.
Art is more than only nice entertainment.
My own evaluation of the photo precipitates abstractly, which creates new dimensions and a more extensive multilayeredness for the picture. The key lies for me in the complex (for me very tender) emotionality of the face expression, which - in correspondence with the brutal environment - which stimulates fantasy to many interpretations and meanings.
That has nothing to do with a primitive desire to shock people.
Maria Mann
Maria Mann 05/10/2005 23:06
Another comment from a user here that just disappeared somehow:OK - my opinion - for what it is worth ... maybe at some point the blood spattered body in the bath was shocking, inspiring maybe, inventive and imaginative, meaningful and ground-breaking etc etc ... but it has been done many times ... secondly - contemporary art does attract its fair share of detractors (rightly or wrongly) so what should the artist do .. he or she could explain their work and show how it is the result of inspiration, imagaination, inventivness etc etc OR they could respond by merely accusing the people who don't like their work of being 'narrow-minded' ... sadly in my experience most tend to use the latter as first and last resort ... it doesnt prove anything except that they are unable to use the other form of response. I am bored of this 'narrow-minded' accusation ... its an un-intelligent response ...
Matthias Moritz 30/09/2005 14:12
First chance:Protect your work.
Try to accuse the viewer. "Narrowminded", no ability to understand arts.
Second chance:
Ask yourself:
Might be, the viewer is right.
Why does no one praise my work? Is something wrong with the quality? Why do I get "wrong" comments? How can I do better?
Its your choice to find appreciation.
Maria Mann 30/09/2005 1:41
Im quite new here as you can see and still try to get along here. It wasnt my attend to put the photo into this section. You´re right on this point.But you´re not right about the meaning of the photo itself. For sure its not everybodys taste, but its for sure not primitive.
Its a pity that most "narrowminded" people are not able to look through this - on the first sight - shocking bloody scene on the tenderness and versatile meaning of this picture.
Maria Mann 30/09/2005 1:33
Ich bin wie man sieht recht neu hier und noch dabei mich einzufinden. Deshalb ist das Photo nicht mit Absicht in dieser Sektion gelandet. Da gebe ich Dir Recht. Anderer Meinung bin ich aber was das Photo an sich angeht. Es ist bestimmt nicht jedermanns Geschmack, aber mit Sicherheit nicht primitiv.Leider sind die meisten "schubladendenkenden" Menschen nicht fähig, durch die vordergründlich schockierende blutige Szenerie "hindurchzublicken" auf die Zartheit und vielschichtige Aussage dieses Bildes.
Matthias Moritz 30/09/2005 1:09
Mir ist überhaupt nicht klar, warum dieses Foto in der Sektion "Fine Art" gelandet ist. Es manifestiert eher primitiv Gewalt und Ekel. Sorry, qualitativ kein Meisterwerk und ganz sicher nichts in Richtung künstlerische, ästhetische Fotografie.I have absolutely no idea, why this photo was uploaded into the section "Fine Art". It expressed more likely violence and disgust in a very simple way. I am sorry, but this is not artistic photography and does not show any combined craft and asthetic as a viewer would expect referring to the sections discription.
Kind regards
Matthias